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Moby Dick, or The Rant: chapter 17 [Mar. 25th, 2011|10:31 am]
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In Chapter Seventeen: Ramadan...

This chapter.

This... this chapter, you guys.

I can't even.

sigh
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[User Picture]From: snapes_angel
2011-03-25 04:57 pm (UTC)
"I get the impression that Queequeg tolerates Ishmael because he's cute, and just ignores all the sounds that come out of his face-hole."

Ditto.

"There is no way Melville wrote this character accidentally. He had to know. He must have, for whatever reason, wanted to create an unreliable narrator whose ignorance and hypocrisy would make the reader facepalm with the turn of every page."

Hey, that's one way to involve the reader in a story. He also may have written some parts as a parody of other, contemporary works.
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[User Picture]From: ambrmerlinus
2011-03-26 01:58 pm (UTC)
He also may have written some parts as a parody of other, contemporary works.

Here's hoping.
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[User Picture]From: snapes_angel
2011-03-26 03:55 pm (UTC)
Fingers crossed! Eyes, too, but that's another story (as moving day quickly approaches).
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[User Picture]From: la_mendacia
2011-03-26 02:04 am (UTC)
...well, Queequeg did try to block the door. Maybe he knew Ishmael would freak out.

Ishmael wasn't even curious to know what he was fasting for! Ishmael, you're a dick. Maybe everything would make sense if you didn't assume you had all the answers.
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[User Picture]From: ambrmerlinus
2011-03-26 02:16 am (UTC)
Ishmael, you're a dick.

The entire book, summarized.
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[User Picture]From: jaslanator229
2011-03-26 04:32 am (UTC)
Oh...oh my. Ishmael,that's...uh...

I think it would be in the best interest of your sanity if you just chanted to yourself, over and over, that 'it was a different era'. It's how I managed to deal with the few...unfortunate...parts of 'Around the World in Eighty Days'. On the upside, saving an Indian woman's life! On the other, having the hero's manservant do the saving and then frantically reassuring the readers that she's 'pale as a European' all the time. ALL THE TIME

Rambling, sorry.

Am I odd for not thinking Ishmael's a dick, just seriously lacking in cultural awareness/sensitivity? You're probably right about how Queequeg views him, though. 'Whatever, darlin'. We'll ignore this for now.'

Sick as it is, the inn keeper's wife's reaction to Queequeg barricading himself in is kinda lolarious.

Also; yes. Yes, I will be stalking this from now on.
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[User Picture]From: ambrmerlinus
2011-03-26 01:57 pm (UTC)
My personal mantra for Moby Dick has been "He was progressive by the standards of his time!" because... well, he was. Even if by today's standards I kind of want to give him a swift slap to the back of the head every time he opens his mouth.

You're probably right with the cultural awareness thing, I just find "dick" has fewer syllables and is easier to wrap my tongue around in a pinch.

Also; heck yes stalkers. :D
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[User Picture]From: brand_new_lvr
2013-01-16 03:29 pm (UTC)
"There is no way Melville wrote this character accidentally. He had to know. He must have, for whatever reason, wanted to create an unreliable narrator whose ignorance and hypocrisy would make the reader facepalm with the turn of every page."

--well, melville must have meant to ridicule ishmael, since the impression we all got is that ishmael is not only ignorant and hypocritic, but also silly and comical. narrator as he is, we couln't miss that queequeg is the bigger man.

somehow i don't find ishmael annoying to read, but i think i can understand why you and the other commentors do. i giggled along with ishmael's effort to seriously inquire if queequeg himself was ever bothered with dyspepsia(which, queequeg must have tried not to take as a plain insult).
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[User Picture]From: ambrmerlinus
2013-01-29 02:43 pm (UTC)
Looking back on it, I may have overreacted a little to Ishmael here. Should have had more faith in Melville.
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[User Picture]From: brand_new_lvr
2013-01-30 06:57 am (UTC)
thank you for saying so! it's ok, we all get furious with a biased hypocrite, especially when he's insulting our beloved character.

i thought about it, then i was trying to convince you that it's not melville's fault. i was being a little too opinionated, should have take it easy on disagreements. i should've had more respect for your opinions, as your opinions have all the support arguments above. much as i believe in melville's best intentions, he did successfully depict an annoying character, and you have every right and reason to protest.
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